Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

01/27/2010 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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08:02:34 AM Start
08:02:48 AM Overview: Round Table Discussion with Eed Commissioner Larry Ledoux on How Criteria Relate to Goals of a Potential Scholarship Program.
09:13:13 AM Overview(s): Department of Education and Early Development Virtual School Concept; Department of Defense Online Virtual High School; Alaska School District Online Course Offerings
09:59:40 AM Adjourn
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+ - Round Table Discussion w/ Larry LeDoux, TELECONFERENCED
DEED Commissioner: How criteria relate to
goals of a potential scholarship program
+ - Overview: DEED Virtual School Concept; TELECONFERENCED
Dept. of Defense Online Virtual High
School; AK School District Online Course
Offerings
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 27, 2010                                                                                        
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz, Vice Chair                                                                                 
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:   ROUND  TABLE DISCUSSION  WITH EED  COMMISSIONER LARRY                                                               
LEDOUX  ON   HOW  CRITERIA  RELATE   TO  GOALS  OF   A  POTENTIAL                                                               
SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT VIRTUAL                                                               
SCHOOL  CONCEPT;  DEPARTMENT  OF   DEFENCE  ONLINE  VIRTUAL  HIGH                                                               
SCHOOL; ALASKA SCHOOL DISTRICT ONLINE COURSE OFFERINGS.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LARRY LEDOUX, Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided  information and answered questions                                                             
during  the  round table  discussion  with  EED on  how  criteria                                                               
relate to  goals of  a potential  scholarship program.   Provided                                                               
information and  answered questions during the  overviews related                                                               
to  the EED  Virtual School  Concept, the  Department of  Defense                                                               
Online  Virtual  High  School, and  the  Alaska  School  District                                                               
Online Course Offerings.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL HENRY, Executive Director of High Schools                                                                               
Anchorage School District (ASD)                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  on  behalf  of ASD  during  the                                                             
overviews  related  to  the Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                               
Development  Virtual School  Concept, the  Department of  Defense                                                               
Online  Virtual  High  School, and  the  Alaska  School  District                                                               
Online Course Offerings.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JANICE M. KOCH-CARTER                                                                                                           
Military, Federal, Pentagon                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  during the overviews  related to                                                             
the Department of Education and  Early Development Virtual School                                                               
Concept, the  Department of Defense  Online Virtual  High School,                                                               
and the Alaska School District Online Course Offerings.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PAUL  SEATON called the House  Education Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 8:02  a.m.  Representatives  Wilson, Edgmon,                                                               
Buch,  Gardner, and  Seaton were  present at  the call  to order.                                                               
Representative Munoz arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:   Round Table Discussion  with EED  Commissioner Larry                                                               
LeDoux  on   how  criteria  relate   to  goals  of   a  potential                                                               
scholarship program.                                                                                                            
 OVERVIEW:  Round Table Discussion with EED Commissioner Larry                                                              
     LeDoux on how criteria relate to goals of a potential                                                                  
                      scholarship program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:02:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
a round  table discussion with  Commissioner Larry LeDoux  of the                                                               
Department  of Education  and  Early  Development, regarding  how                                                               
criteria relate to goals of a potential scholarship program.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:04:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON emphasized  the need to understand  the criteria and                                                               
target  for  the  upcoming scholarship  funding  proposals.    He                                                               
indicated that the Governor's  Performance Scholarship (GPS) bill                                                               
is not  yet scheduled to be  heard by the committee,  but will be                                                               
forthcoming.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:07:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  LEDOUX, Commissioner,  stated that  he has  come today  to                                                               
address  committee   questions  and  concerns,  and   to  clarify                                                               
department actions.   In response  to Representative  Gardner, he                                                               
said that  if given the  latitude, he would  emphasize developing                                                               
an attitude of success in  every child beginning in kindergarten.                                                               
He stated  his belief  that if this  occurred it  would eliminate                                                               
the need for scholarships and  the programs now being introduced.                                                               
If a child  were to work to their full  potential he/she would be                                                               
successful.    Failure  begins early,  he  related,  and  affects                                                               
success  in  high  school  and  college.   He  said  if  he  were                                                               
governor, he  would implement a  plan that did not  implement any                                                               
particular  program as  the key  constant for  success.   He said                                                               
assessments often give  children the message that  they have done                                                               
something wrong.  He related that  he does not use the term drop-                                                               
out.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:11:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX, in response  to Representative Gardner, said                                                               
in order to  [develop an attitude of success in  every child], he                                                               
would  implement the  state education  plan, which  he opined  is                                                               
consistent with research  and knowledge.  The state's  plan has a                                                               
statement  that success  will not  come from  any single  program                                                               
directed  at  any single  age,  but  will  be  a continuum.    He                                                               
underscored  the  ability  of  the young  child  to  explore  and                                                               
discover.    Commissioner LeDoux  stated  that  a question  gives                                                               
relevance  to the  information or  answer, and  without relevance                                                               
there is  no meaning or application.   He referred to  "the brain                                                               
theory" and  said the  same part  of the brain  that is  used for                                                               
emotion is  also used for  learning; deep memory and  emotion are                                                               
the same.  He  said his comments are based upon  a book called, A                                                             
Whole New Mind, by Daniel H. Pink.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:13:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER requested  steps that  could be  taken to                                                               
promote what  the commissioner is  proposing.  She asked  if, for                                                               
example, a policy change would be necessary.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:14:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX responded  that the No Child  Left Behind Act                                                               
of  2001  (NCLB) defined  success  as  a  test score;  it  judged                                                               
students, teachers,  principals, and  superintendents based  on a                                                               
how a  student performed on  a test.  Because  of accountability,                                                               
NCLB dropped  some of the things  children need to develop  - the                                                               
part of the  system where children can apply  their knowledge and                                                               
see success instantly by what  they do.  Commissioner LeDoux said                                                               
teachers are  afraid to carry  on deep discussions  with students                                                               
because they  are worried about  meeting performance levels.   He                                                               
reiterated  that   the  system   does  not  honor   questions  or                                                               
curiosity.  He  said the Internet is an  important resource today                                                               
for students, but  students do not know  how to use it  as a data                                                               
base, how to ask questions and validate the information gleaned.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  stated that  students are being  trained for                                                               
jobs that do  not exist.  Years  ago, a person would  train for a                                                               
career and remain  in that career, but young  people today change                                                               
jobs an  average of seven  times.  Vocational education  has been                                                               
stressed:  welding, woodshop, mechanics.   He asked the committee                                                               
members what  they think a  student gains by taking  a vocational                                                               
class.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:18:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH said  he thinks  vocational education  gives                                                               
students a  way in which to  use the right side  of their brains,                                                               
because  it  offers  both  the   practical  and  visual  side  of                                                               
learning.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:19:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON said  not everyone  is going  to attend                                                               
and  finish  college,  and  those  who do  not  could  be  better                                                               
prepared for  blue collar  careers through  vocational education.                                                               
She suggested  that vocational classes  may give students  a peek                                                               
into their future, help them  identify their abilities, and focus                                                               
on  what other  classes  they may  need to  take  to reach  their                                                               
goals.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:21:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON added that students  learn in various ways.  Classes                                                               
which  require a  student  to sit  in  a seat  to  learn may  not                                                               
provide enough stimuli or engage certain students.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:22:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX stated  that one reason to  allow students to                                                               
use their hands is that that  provides an opportunity for them to                                                               
experience immediate success between what  they are doing and the                                                               
creation  of  something.   Furthermore,  working  as a  team  and                                                               
making  decisions is  a benefit  in  these courses.   He  stated,                                                               
"Career technology is  applied common sense, and  I would suggest                                                               
that every child  needs it, whether they are going  to college or                                                               
not."   He said the key  component of any vocational  course that                                                               
makes  it  worthwhile  is  that  it allows  students  to  face  a                                                               
problem,  design a  strategy, implement  that strategy,  evaluate                                                               
the  results, and  revise the  process as  necessary, which  is a                                                               
reflection of life.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  stated  that traditionally  public  schools                                                               
have measured success by letter  grades to denote benchmarks; the                                                               
school system  has never  really valued  a system  where children                                                               
learn  to "apply."   He  shared his  belief that  a person  needs                                                               
knowledge and  the opportunity to  apply that knowledge  in order                                                               
to build wisdom.  He related  that although students who get good                                                               
grades  deserve  the acknowledgement  they  receive,  there is  a                                                               
study,  which  shows  that  there  is  only  about  a  7  percent                                                               
correlation  between  grades  and  achieving ones  goal  in  high                                                               
school.   He indicated  that the correlation  is 10  times higher                                                               
between children  who participate in  activities of any  kind and                                                               
success.    He  said  the  question  is  why  grades  are  not  a                                                               
predictor.   He  stated, "With  young  people, it's  a battle  of                                                               
attitudes."  He asked the  committee members why they think there                                                               
is a  difference between participation in  activities and success                                                               
in life.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:27:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON said she  thinks students learn, through                                                               
the  process of  doing  something, that  success  may come  after                                                               
initial  failure,  and  the   feeling  achieved  through  success                                                               
motivates students  to strive to  succeed again.  She  said there                                                               
is a lack  of discipline and students  don't experience [success]                                                               
in life  very much;  therefore, "somebody's got  to help  them do                                                               
it."                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:28:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ offered her  understanding that children are                                                               
given assessments  as early as  kindergarten or first  grade, and                                                               
she  asked if  those  assessments are  left-brain or  right-brain                                                               
dominated.   She asked if  other types of assessments  exist that                                                               
would  be more  appropriate, and  whether those  being given  are                                                               
adequately  assessing   the  creative  thinking  and   skills  of                                                               
children in the early grades.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:29:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  responded  that most  assessments  used  in                                                               
early learning  are skill-based  in order  to measure  what young                                                               
children can do  and what they can recognize.   He indicated that                                                               
it is how  those assessments are applied that is  of concern.  He                                                               
talked  about children  who  are  singled out.    He stated  that                                                               
children  assess themselves  much  more acutely  than the  school                                                               
system ever will.  He said,  "Every child knows where they fit in                                                               
that hierarchy,  and if  it's not high  enough, they  build their                                                               
entire self-esteem  ... on  where they  perceive they  fit within                                                               
that system."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:31:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ agreed  that  skills-based assessments  are                                                               
necessary for young  children; however, she said  schools need to                                                               
find a  way to honor students  who are more right-brained  and do                                                               
not do as well with left-brain focused testing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:31:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  said the committee  needs to consider  the criteria                                                               
for a  broad-based scholarship  and decide if  the focus  of that                                                               
criterion needs to be changed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:32:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON said all  the best intentions  and best                                                               
efforts  of  the legislature  will  not  accomplish the  goal  if                                                               
teachers are  not re-schooled  regarding right-  and left-brained                                                               
activities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:34:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX stated  that there  is a  direct correlation                                                               
between  scores   on  assessment   tests  and   college  success.                                                               
Furthermore,  an even  more  rigorous  curriculum increases  that                                                               
correlation of success in college.   He said the human brain, the                                                               
school system, and  the assessments used are not  right- or left-                                                               
brained; the entire brain is utilized.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said teaching  is both craft  and art.   The                                                               
craft  can be  taught,  while the  art pertains  to  how to  make                                                               
knowledge alive  in the  minds of children  - an  aptitude rather                                                               
than a  taught skill.   He said  an English teacher  can actually                                                               
"teach  the same  things that  you  would learn  in a  vocational                                                               
class," but not as easily.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:37:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  requested the research  comparing the effects  of a                                                               
rigorous curriculum with  success in college.   He disagreed that                                                               
the education  system is  unresponsive.  He  said the  system and                                                               
the  teachers did  respond to  NCLB,  and if  the committee  sets                                                               
clear  values and  goals  and establishes  criteria  that can  be                                                               
taught, the system will respond.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:39:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said grades are important  as a relationship                                                               
between  a teacher  and a  student, and  to say  otherwise is  to                                                               
undermine  that relationship.    The "A"  student  is working  to                                                               
his/her potential.   The message  to young people should  be that                                                               
what they do in school  does matter.  Commissioner LeDoux related                                                               
an  anecdote  illustrating how  his  own  change of  attitude  in                                                               
school changed his grade.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:41:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  said advances in detection  of special needs                                                               
such as autism  and dyslexia have resulted  in more sophisticated                                                               
ways  of dealing  with students  and have  brought attention  and                                                               
financial  concentration on  a small  populace within  the school                                                               
community.  He asked Commissioner  LeDoux what he thinks this has                                                               
done for the average student.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:43:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX responded  that  depending  on the  learning                                                               
disability, the earlier  it can be identified and  dealt with the                                                               
larger the effect will  be in the years to come.   He stated that                                                               
proactive intervention done  at an early age  is costly; however,                                                               
reactive  interventions  done  later  are  very  expensive.    He                                                               
offered further  details.  He  said he  is a strong  proponent of                                                               
intense interventions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX said  he believes  every child  is different                                                               
and to treat them all the same is to treat them unfairly.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:46:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  directed the  discussion  to  how the  scholarship                                                               
criteria are to be targeted.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:47:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH  said he  thinks  what  happens early  in  a                                                               
child's  education affects  what is  done later  on, which  could                                                               
affect the scholarship issue.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:47:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER reported that  teachers and parents in her                                                               
district  have  shared with  her  their  belief that  the  school                                                               
district  stalls  when  it  comes   to  identifying  or  labeling                                                               
students  such that  those students  would then  be eligible  for                                                               
special education  services.   She said  this may  be due  to the                                                               
cost  of  the  programs.     She  questioned  whether  the  early                                                               
intervention  about   which  Commissioner  LeDoux   discussed  is                                                               
actually happening.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:49:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  suggested that  this  question  be answered  in  a                                                               
subsequent discussion.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:49:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON asked  how many  schools have  "graduation                                                               
coaches" throughout the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:51:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  answered that  graduation coaches  are rare.                                                               
He said in  larger schools it is more imperative  to have coaches                                                               
or  advisors, while  in smaller  schools, with  a lower  ratio of                                                               
students to teachers,  the teacher is the coach.   Anyone who has                                                               
the time to  sit down with a student and  discuss his/her future,                                                               
has the ability to help that student,  he said.  A child needs to                                                               
feel connected, he related.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:53:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  question if, given no  encumbrances, there                                                               
is a need to have scholarships that are not merit based.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  responded yes.   He  stated his  belief that                                                               
there are  students who are  creative, find their own  paths, and                                                               
are  maturing outside  of  the  system, and  who  should also  be                                                               
honored in some  way, whether it is called a  scholarship or not.                                                               
However, accountability would still play  a part, and the student                                                               
must  understand that  he/she  would be  required  to follow  the                                                               
rules of the school.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:56:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  mentioned a district  which tests its  students out                                                               
of  classes  in order  to  help  those  students focus  on  other                                                               
subjects  which  will  challenge  them.    He  asked  a  question                                                               
pertaining to the  grade point average (GPA)  system and ensuring                                                               
students will be challenged.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:57:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX   said  he   thinks  there  is   a  movement                                                               
nationally   where   schools  will   emphasize   competency-based                                                               
education versus a letter grade.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:59:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX, in  response to  Chair Seaton,  offered his                                                               
belief  that  state  regulations   provide  the  opportunity  for                                                               
schools  to award  credit based  on any  criteria that  the state                                                               
feels  will ensure  that the  students have  learned the  subject                                                               
content.   Most schools that  have competency-based  systems also                                                               
have the ability  to translate that into a  letter grade, because                                                               
many  colleges  require a  transcript  with  letter grades.    He                                                               
indicated that the  flexibility exists in Alaska's  system and in                                                               
a  potential scholarship  program to  work within  a [competency-                                                               
based system].  Commissioner LeDoux  related that many courses in                                                               
"the traditional distance"  measure only whether or  not a person                                                               
has attained  knowledge; they don't measure  well the application                                                               
- the  creativity.   The teacher  can engage  in dialog  with the                                                               
student to  create a  circle joining  knowledge with  meaning, he                                                               
said.   He concluded,  "I don't believe  the GPS  ... scholarship                                                               
will   have  any   problem  accommodating   those  changes;   our                                                               
regulations already do."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:01:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX, in response  to Representative Gardner, said                                                               
it is  true [that  students' behavior and  choices may  be molded                                                               
based on the criteria for scholarship].   He said it is also true                                                               
that  many young  people will  avoid courses  that may  challenge                                                               
their GPA.  Consequently, some  schools have introduced "weighted                                                               
grades," so  that a  "B" will  still count as  an "A."   However,                                                               
under  that system,  an "A"  earned will  garner an  extra point.                                                               
The easy  road is  often more appealing,  and "this  won't change                                                               
that at all,"  he said.  The standards for  an "A" differ between                                                               
schools.    Commissioner  LeDoux  stated   that  the  GPS  is  an                                                               
invitation for  students to work  harder; it's "a  direct assault                                                               
on  creating a  positive attitude  very, very  early -  at middle                                                               
school."   He said  he likes  to use  the word  "contract" rather                                                               
than "scholarship."   He explained  that a scholarship is  a gift                                                               
for  doing well,  while  the  GPS is  earned,  which affects  the                                                               
attitude  of a  child and  results in  a winning  situation.   He                                                               
stated  his belief  that the  invitation [to  earn the  GPS] will                                                               
have a ripple  effect that will catalyze teachers  to work harder                                                               
to engage students to take on a rigorous curriculum.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSOINER LEDOUX  said children cannot  be taught if  they are                                                               
not in  class.  He  spoke of  math and science  requirements, and                                                               
the need to  increase the years those subjects are  taken in high                                                               
school in order  not to be in remedial levels  of the subjects in                                                               
college.  He stated:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     If you were  to do an exam for science,  what would you                                                                    
     ask  them  to  tell  you?    If  you  were  to  give  a                                                                    
     graduation exam  in science, what  do you want  them to                                                                    
     know, the Krebs cycle,  the classification of an amoeba                                                                    
     ...?   No.    What  you're going  to  want  to know  is                                                                    
     problem solving:  how they  look at the world; how it's                                                                    
     divided up; the  disciplines.  You're not  going to get                                                                    
     into the specifics.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:05:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON said  which criteria  to use  is what  needs to  be                                                               
identified.   He  said it  may be  a Scholastic  Achievement Test                                                               
(SAT) or specific  knowledge-based test.  The  criteria may prove                                                               
to  be  different from  what  is  rewarded.    He noted  that  on                                                               
Wednesday,  February 3,  2010,  there would  be  a joint  meeting                                                               
which might bring this issue to the fore.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:08:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER expressed appreciation  for the effect the                                                               
GPS program  would have  in creating a  culture in  schools where                                                               
students work  toward a goal  and families participate  and apply                                                               
pressure  to  school  districts to  "make  things  possible"  for                                                               
students.  However,  she warned that the state may  end up paying                                                               
for things that  many families would have paid  for anyway, which                                                               
may result in lost opportunities.   She asked Commissioner LeDoux                                                               
if he can picture other ways to  work for the same end, but where                                                               
money is "distributed differently in the end."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:10:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  responded that  the  idea  is to  change  a                                                               
student's attitude and to keep graduates  in Alaska.  He said his                                                               
experience as  a school  principal has  shown that  students with                                                               
bad attitudes  come from all  strata of demographics.   He opined                                                               
that every child should step  forward and take accountability, no                                                               
matter  their   economic  status,  because  that   is  what  will                                                               
determine their  success.  Commissioner LeDoux  stated his belief                                                               
that  with the  GPS  program  there would  have  to be  mandatory                                                               
annual meetings,  beginning in 7th  grade, between  the students,                                                               
parents, and a school official, to monitor the student's plan.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:12:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  related that a  recent battle of  the books                                                               
program was won by a  juvenile detention facility team, which she                                                               
said illustrates  that given opportunities children  will succeed                                                               
irrespective  of being  in difficult  situations.   She said  she                                                               
would  be   looking  for  ways   to  provide   opportunities  for                                                               
scholarships  to  children who  typically  do  not succeed  in  a                                                               
traditional school setting.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:12:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  stated that  success is "the  best motivator                                                               
drug in the world."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):   DEPARTMENT  OF  EDUCATION  AND EARLY  DEVELOPMENT                                                               
VIRTUAL  SCHOOL CONCEPT;  DEPARTMENT  OF  DEFENSE ONLINE  VIRTUAL                                                               
HIGH SCHOOL; ALASKA SCHOOL DISTRICT ONLINE COURSE OFFERINGS                                                                     
  OVERVIEW(S):  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                               
  VIRTUAL SCHOOL CONCEPT; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ONLINE VIRTUAL                                                              
  HIGH SCHOOL; ALASKA SCHOOL DISTRICT ONLINE COURSE OFFERINGS                                                               
                                                                                                                              
9:13:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
an overview  related to:   the Department of Education  and Early                                                               
Development  Virtual School  Concept, the  Department of  Defense                                                               
Online  Virtual  High  School, and  the  Alaska  School  District                                                               
Online Course Offerings.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:13:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  LEDOUX, Commissioner,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development (EED), stated that with the  size of the state, it is                                                               
a challenge  to teach diverse  content programs; the  smaller the                                                               
school,  the fewer  the opportunities.   Additionally,  the small                                                               
school may  not have the  expertise in their teachers  to provide                                                               
certain  courses.   The  Alyeska  School  District implemented  a                                                               
correspondence course  program at  one point, which  he described                                                               
as  "nothing more  than credit  by exam."   The  failure rate  of                                                               
traditional correspondence  classes was  very high  - approaching                                                               
80-90  percent in  some  cases.   Alternative  schools would  use                                                               
correspondence courses  set up  in learning  centers, but  it was                                                               
still not  effective.   With the advent  of the  Internet, things                                                               
changed, but there was still  no connection between a student and                                                               
a teacher.   Recently the  sophistication of on-line  classes has                                                               
increased  and a  teacher may  come  on-line to  interact with  a                                                               
student.  However, the actual  ability to speak and interact with                                                               
teachers or other students improves the rate of success.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX related that  the advent of social networking                                                               
was a step forward and  encouraged peer teaching.  In synchronous                                                               
technology, he said, a two-way  video is utilized in "real time."                                                               
It works well  when the technology is working, but  has a failure                                                               
rate that makes it inconsistent.   Ultimately, he said, districts                                                               
together  could  build a  synchronous  network.   He  offered  an                                                               
illustration  of  how  that  would   work.    The  schools  would                                                               
establish  the  schedule  and  students  would  choose  from  the                                                               
consortium.  He stated that the  ability to do this is limited by                                                               
bandwidth, and the technology is  not necessarily dependable, but                                                               
the synchronous class does work  well and the interactive ability                                                               
is successful.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  indicated that asynchronous  technology uses                                                               
software programs,  such as "Blackboard" and  "Illuminate," which                                                               
are fully interactive in "real  time," but are all Internet-based                                                               
and  use low  bandwidth.    He stated  that  the  purpose of  the                                                               
virtual learning  being developed  now is not  to try  to emulate                                                               
what  is currently  being done  with  technology, but  to try  to                                                               
change education  in a  way so  that students  can learn  in real                                                               
time,  are not  restricted to  seat time,  and, thus,  can manage                                                               
their  own instruction.   The  potential for  this technology  is                                                               
huge in  both rural and  urban schools where students  can choose                                                               
high  quality classes  from across  the  nation, as  well as  the                                                               
state.  A  number of districts are pioneering  this technology in                                                               
Alaska.   Nationwide  other states  are  creating virtual  school                                                               
programs  that  are  incredible.    The  department  is  bringing                                                               
together  leaders and  innovators in  this technology  to discuss                                                               
how  Alaska can  develop a  district-owned and  -operated virtual                                                               
school  in the  state, which  would bring  down the  cost of  the                                                               
courses.  Currently courses run approximately $1,000 each.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:26:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX, in  response to  Representative Buch,  said                                                               
synchronous technology  is expensive and  in high demand,  and is                                                               
not really  an option for Alaska  right now.  He  said broadband,                                                               
fiber optic  capability is  needed in  every community  in Alaska                                                               
for  a variety  of reasons,  not just  education; however,  until                                                               
that becomes a  reality, he is instructing  the committee working                                                               
on the  virtual school to develop  a system that will  operate on                                                               
what technology is currently available  in Alaska.  He stated his                                                               
belief that the reliability of  broadband throughout the state is                                                               
improving, and  he expressed  his hope  that developing  a system                                                               
that will "shrink"  Alaska will "push the  decisions necessary to                                                               
connect every community in the state to broadband."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:29:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX, in response  to questions from Chair Seaton,                                                               
said  virtual  school  would  not be  another  bureaucracy.    He                                                               
confirmed  that all  the virtual  courses would  qualify for  any                                                               
scholarship  and meet  qualifications required  by the  districts                                                               
and the state for graduation.   Furthermore, virtual school would                                                               
include college classes,  as well as classes  developed in Alaska                                                               
and Outside.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:31:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  noted that  the U.S. Department  of Defense  has an                                                               
on-line virtual high school, and  he asked Commissioner LeDoux if                                                               
the  state  needs  to  ensure  those  classes  align  with  state                                                               
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  offered  his   belief  that  the  districts                                                               
currently using distance education  take on the responsibility to                                                               
carry out that evaluation.   In response to a follow-up question,                                                               
he said courses taught in  Alaska should be aligned with Alaska's                                                               
content standards.   Standards are similar across  the nation, so                                                               
this is  not usually  an issue.   Companies that  design distance                                                               
courses  carefully  ensure  that  what  they  deliver  fits  "the                                                               
broadest possible representation across the states."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:34:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX,  in response to Representative  Edgmon, said                                                               
he  envisions  that  districts  will   pay  a  fee  to  join  the                                                               
consortium.   He  said  there will  need to  be  some people  who                                                               
manage the servers,  but they could be stationed  anywhere in the                                                               
state.  The system would be  owned by a cooperative of districts.                                                               
He said Title  II D provides approximately $1  million of federal                                                               
money to begin this program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:36:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON asked  if this  system could  help keep  a                                                               
school going that may no longer qualify for state funding.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:36:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX answered  yes.  He said he thinks  the sky is                                                               
the limit in  innovation and a concentration of  vision will help                                                               
bring  this  to fruition.    Every  district  should be  able  to                                                               
participate.     He  stated  that  virtual   high  schools  exist                                                               
elsewhere, but  are not  part of the  current vision  for Alaska;                                                               
however, changes will occur as the program evolves.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:37:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  directed attention to  a letter from  the Ketchikan                                                               
Gateway  Borough  School  District,   and  he  noted  that  their                                                               
[virtual]  courses cost  $120-$130  per  semester, plus  district                                                               
staff  time to  proctor  tests.   He named  some  of the  classes                                                               
available.   He  then  pointed  to an  e-mail  from the  Wrangell                                                               
School District that raises a  question regarding the requirement                                                               
for highly qualified teachers and  how that would be addressed in                                                               
the  virtual classroom.   He  asked if  the legislature  needs to                                                               
take up this concern.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:40:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said there  will be  concerns with  each new                                                               
opportunity and  they will be  addressed by the  competent people                                                               
on the planning  committee, one of whom is  the superintendent of                                                               
the Wrangell School District.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON offered the assistance of the committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:41:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  concluded  that   the  department  is  well                                                               
underway in  the developmental  process, the  end product  is not                                                               
clearly  drawn,  and  there  may  be  the  need  for  legislative                                                               
support.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:42:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  noted that  a bill had  been introduced  related to                                                               
virtual schools which could be used  as a vehicle for any changes                                                               
requested by the department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:42:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX offered  to provide  a demonstration  of the                                                               
aforementioned Illuminate software program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:43:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON said that may be scheduled.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:43:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH expressed  appreciation  for  the work  that                                                               
Commissioner LeDoux  has done with  the Department of Labor.   He                                                               
opined  that it  is important  in the  future synchronization  of                                                               
this system for various departments to work together.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:44:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  HENRY, Executive  Director  of  High Schools,  Anchorage                                                               
School  District (ASD),  testifying  on behalf  of the  Anchorage                                                               
School District,  expressed support of the  leadership and vision                                                               
of Commissioner  LeDoux.  He  said ASD  has been involved  in on-                                                               
line instruction for  approximately the past seven  years and has                                                               
uncovered problems,  some of which  have been solved.   Mr. Henry                                                               
said  one thing  that makes  on-line education  so important  for                                                               
children is  that it  equalizes the  opportunity for  students to                                                               
take advanced placement  courses.  The district  has used on-line                                                               
courses  significantly  for  credit recovery.    Furthermore,  he                                                               
indicated  that  on-line  courses  provide  the  opportunity  for                                                               
juniors  and  seniors involved  in  fine  arts to  fulfill  other                                                               
course work necessary to continue to college.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENRY  noted that last  semester on-line courses  were opened                                                               
up for  anyone to  use versus  the approach  of limiting  them to                                                               
those who  had a specific  reason.  He said  ASD is proud  of its                                                               
teacher  trainer  program,   which  helps  outstanding  classroom                                                               
teachers  to also  be great  on-line teachers.   He  said ASD  is                                                               
excited that  Commissioner LeDoux is taking  a part in this.   In                                                               
response to  Chair Seaton, he  indicated there  are approximately                                                               
125 juniors and  seniors that have taken advantage  of taking on-                                                               
line classes  for reasons other  than the  aforementioned limited                                                               
reasons, or for no  reason at all.  He predicted  that by the end                                                               
of the school year, 1,200  students will have participated in on-                                                               
line classes.   Mr.  Henry emphasized  the importance  of on-line                                                               
education  to  ASD's  summer  school  program.    He  noted  that                                                               
technology  has  changed  so  much, that  now  just  about  every                                                               
student  in the  ASD has  access to  a computer.   He  noted that                                                               
there is  a new grant  that is  making computers and  "web books"                                                               
available to students.  Web  books allow students to access their                                                               
on-line course wherever they are, including fish camp, he said.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:50:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENRY, in  response to  Representative Buch,  explained that                                                               
ASD  began  with  an  on-line  government  course  to  replace  a                                                               
correspondence  course in  government,  as a  means  to offer  an                                                               
improved  course.   In  response  to Chair  Seaton,  he said  ASD                                                               
currently offers on-line any course  that is offered in the ASD's                                                               
program of  studies.   In response  to Representative  Edgmon, he                                                               
explained what his job entails.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:52:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON,  on behalf  of  Commissioner  LeDoux, extended  an                                                               
invitation to a representative of  the Military Youth Academy for                                                               
that entity to be involved with EED's working group.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:55:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANICE M.  KOCH-CARTER, Military,  Federal, Pentagon, spoke  of a                                                               
research  grant regarding  post traumatic  stress disorder.   She                                                               
indicated  that the  grant covers  education, college  funds, and                                                               
scholarships, as  well as  mental health  issues.   She indicated                                                               
that her goal is to  help others understand politics, what brings                                                               
on war, and how that can be  stopped.  She described the scope of                                                               
her  grant and  how it  reaches to  other nations  as well.   She                                                               
indicated that the grant was approved in 2002.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:59:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON requested literature on the program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GENERAL KOCH-CARTER said she would provide that literature to                                                                   
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:59:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:00 a.m.                                                                

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School District Online course offerings.pdf HEDC 1/27/2010 8:00:00 AM
A whole new mind discussion guide for business.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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A whole new mind discussion guide for educators.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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It's never too late to learn.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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sternberg.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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The Legislative Role in Improving Higher Education Productivity.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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The Dreaded P Word.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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Scan001 (3).pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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Researchers Call SAT Alternative Better Predictor of College Success.docx HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
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Michelau.pdf HEDC 1/25/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 1/27/2010 8:00:00 AM
Military to Debut Virtual School.docx HEDC 1/27/2010 8:00:00 AM
Distance Overview HEDC 1 27 2010.doc HEDC 1/27/2010 8:00:00 AM